Sunday, October 16, 2016

Week 6: Post Debate

The class debate this week was instructive and interesting. The debate itself mirrored how I would bet that this debate and other critical debates happen on the international scale. Two opposing parties come to the table with the desire to be “right,” terms and concepts aren’t clearly defined from the outset, and events are seen through the eye of the beholder- what is fundamental change for one side is another rational choice for another side.

One of the critical pieces we missed was defining terms. What constitutes the international system? What is change? What counts as fundamental? If we had taken the time to do this, we may have been able to answer each other’s points and assertions more directly, rather than each talking from our own script. I can only imagine that this is a common challenge in other international negotiations. Myths and misconceptions abound when terms are not defined, and people act from a place of suspicion and mistrust when things are unclear.

Until Professor Shirked asked me this in class, I hadn’t realized that the debate had centered on the idea that fundamental change is the change of sovereignty. I think that made my team’s pro side a bit weaker, as we could have talked about other areas of international relations where change is seen more easily than in the concept of sovereignty. Economic cooperation, human rights law, humanitarian intervention (aid) and military cooperation for humanitarian purposes are all examples of changes in the system. Whether or not these are fundamental is up for debate, but they are changes indeed.


One of the arguments that I presented for our team which I would have liked to see answered was about the Responsibility to Protect (R2P). This to me seems like a fundamental change in the international system, and a limiting of sovereignty that hasn’t been done before. (You can tell this in part by how many American realists flipped their theoretical lid as the UN discussed the idea.) R2P gives the international community the right (and the responsibility) to intervene in a country for humanitarian purposes when the state is not protecting its people. This has been invoked in many cases (mostly on the African continent- a book could and probably has been written about that) such as Darfur, Sudan, Libya, and CAR. Underlying the R2P is that sovereignty is not unconditional and can be revoked or impeded upon when a state is denying it’s citizen’s protection. Sovereign territoriality in particular is not a given. While sovereignty remains, the conditions on which its granted have fundamentally changed.

4 comments:

  1. Erica,

    I agree with you that definitions of the terms "change" and "fundamental" are important in order to address each other's answers during the debate. I think that fundamental change is not just change in sovereignty, but rather changes in other important areas as well. You make a good point that what is a fundamental change in one's view is a rational choice in another's view.

    I also think it would have been good if your argument of R2P would have been addressed, as I would have liked if my argument of human security would have been addressed as well. I agree with you that these are fundamental changes in the international system because before R2P the UN did not have legal grounds at all to intervene in humanitarian issues, especially when states themselves cannot or intentionally do not protect their citizens.

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  2. Hi Erica, I enjoyed reading your blog! I agree with you that the different definitions of change and statehood must cause quite a headache in the international community when it comes to negotiations and just international relations in general. Without understanding the foundation of each side's argument, there is much opportunity for disaccord.

    I think the R2P is a profound change in the international community and should definitely be addressed. I was not previously aware of the R2P and as I've read more about it the concept of sovereignty and intervention is definitely a huge change from what we have seen in the past. You mentioned that most of the interventions have been in the African continent, in developing countries. I would be interested to see how quickly the international community would respond if the problems being addressed were in a developed/first world country.

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  3. Erica, thank you for your honest reflection. I agree that pin-pointing change in sovereignty is one of the hardest types of change to identify. Additionally, I think your point about numerous changes occurring but not being fundamental changes is an important distinction. Lastly, I really enjoyed your example of R2P fundamentally changing the conditions on which sovereignty is granted. That is one of the best examples I have recognized in this debate.

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  4. Erica, well said. I would ask you is not R2P just an excuse for powerful states to intervene in states where they wish to meddle? Is it really so different from the sorts of excuses given by colonial powers?

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